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		<title>By: Jan Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi freshtodeath

Concerning meditation, suffice it to say that, at a certain point, I knew without any shadow of doubt that I had to stop. For me, it was having no beneficial effect whatsoever. My body rejected it. Shortly afterwards I came into contact with the experiences of Krishnamurti (see above) and what he had to say on the subject hit me like a bombshell and confirmed my body’s reaction to the whole thing. The body has an extraordinary intelligence of its own - as I then and have since observed. 
Now I no longer have any need to meditate or undergo deprivation to attain anything.
I am not trying to discount any reasonable possibilities of the things you suggest. My thoughts on the matter are purely subjective.    
All I’m saying is that, for me, the above processes account for all our human behavior and experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi freshtodeath</p>
<p>Concerning meditation, suffice it to say that, at a certain point, I knew without any shadow of doubt that I had to stop. For me, it was having no beneficial effect whatsoever. My body rejected it. Shortly afterwards I came into contact with the experiences of Krishnamurti (see above) and what he had to say on the subject hit me like a bombshell and confirmed my body’s reaction to the whole thing. The body has an extraordinary intelligence of its own &#8211; as I then and have since observed.<br />
Now I no longer have any need to meditate or undergo deprivation to attain anything.<br />
I am not trying to discount any reasonable possibilities of the things you suggest. My thoughts on the matter are purely subjective.<br />
All I’m saying is that, for me, the above processes account for all our human behavior and experience.</p>
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		<title>By: freshtodeath</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When there is much more there, all around us.&quot; I conclude that our reality is UNBELIEVABLY more simple than we capable of perceiving when in hindsight our desire to be aware complexes everything!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When there is much more there, all around us.&#8221; I conclude that our reality is UNBELIEVABLY more simple than we capable of perceiving when in hindsight our desire to be aware complexes everything!</p>
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		<title>By: freshtodeath</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m surprised. Do you care elaborating on how meditation brought you so much pain and how you are so sure this was the cause? Also, if meditation caused you such pain why did you wait two years? I agree that, an ego is you, by the label we have given it. What confuses me, even to the point of frustration, is how focused you are in neglecting the reasonable possibility that there could be more to humans than just body and mind. I think you underestimate the potential behind this. Our reality is a product of the information that our brain can ONLY inadequately process. Our brain lags extensively behind the amount of information it receives and processes every fraction of a second, therefore we are only aware of what we know to be when there is much more there, all around us. This has been proven with quantum physics. You should do a little research on the subject. I&#039;m sure you&#039;d be amazed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m surprised. Do you care elaborating on how meditation brought you so much pain and how you are so sure this was the cause? Also, if meditation caused you such pain why did you wait two years? I agree that, an ego is you, by the label we have given it. What confuses me, even to the point of frustration, is how focused you are in neglecting the reasonable possibility that there could be more to humans than just body and mind. I think you underestimate the potential behind this. Our reality is a product of the information that our brain can ONLY inadequately process. Our brain lags extensively behind the amount of information it receives and processes every fraction of a second, therefore we are only aware of what we know to be when there is much more there, all around us. This has been proven with quantum physics. You should do a little research on the subject. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d be amazed!</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two years. Yes I understand all that, but your ego, self, whatever you call it, IS you, the thing you&#039;re trying to get rid of. I stick by my words. I wish you success. Read Krishnamurti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years. Yes I understand all that, but your ego, self, whatever you call it, IS you, the thing you&#8217;re trying to get rid of. I stick by my words. I wish you success. Read Krishnamurti.</p>
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		<title>By: freshtodeath</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: Sorry for double posting again! Please delete my previous post.

Before giving up how long have did you meditate for? It takes time to to become effective..and its worked wonders for me! It is basically the only thing that has worked for me..so far. You do stop if you if it stops which is exactly my point! You create a void. Now a void could be an endless empty space or an endless empty space filled with infinite possibilities. It’s extremely serene. Also…it is your ego that prevents you from entering the meditative state for it is not accepting of its oppression, and eventually extinction. An ego is not necessary for survival. By destroying our egos we return to the closest possible point of a natural human state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: Sorry for double posting again! Please delete my previous post.</p>
<p>Before giving up how long have did you meditate for? It takes time to to become effective..and its worked wonders for me! It is basically the only thing that has worked for me..so far. You do stop if you if it stops which is exactly my point! You create a void. Now a void could be an endless empty space or an endless empty space filled with infinite possibilities. It’s extremely serene. Also…it is your ego that prevents you from entering the meditative state for it is not accepting of its oppression, and eventually extinction. An ego is not necessary for survival. By destroying our egos we return to the closest possible point of a natural human state.</p>
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		<title>By: freshtodeath</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before giving up how long have did you meditate for? It takes time to to become effective..and its worked wonders for me! It is basically the only thing that has worked for me so far. You do stop if it stops which is exactly my point! It’s extremely serene. Also…your ego is what prevents you from entering a deep meditative state for it is not wanting to accept its oppression and eventually extinction. An ego is not necessary for survival. By destroying our egos we return to the closest possible point of our natural state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before giving up how long have did you meditate for? It takes time to to become effective..and its worked wonders for me! It is basically the only thing that has worked for me so far. You do stop if it stops which is exactly my point! It’s extremely serene. Also…your ego is what prevents you from entering a deep meditative state for it is not wanting to accept its oppression and eventually extinction. An ego is not necessary for survival. By destroying our egos we return to the closest possible point of our natural state.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn’t work. Just dulls the brain. I’ve tried it. Eventually my body warned me against it. It can be dangerous and can only bring pain. You are a product of thought so if it stops you stop. Thought is necessary to maintain your ego.
Anyone who tells you different is a charlaton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn’t work. Just dulls the brain. I’ve tried it. Eventually my body warned me against it. It can be dangerous and can only bring pain. You are a product of thought so if it stops you stop. Thought is necessary to maintain your ego.<br />
Anyone who tells you different is a charlaton.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From freshtodeath moved here by me, Jan

try meditating ;D the whole point of this is too slow the thought process down,and focus soley on a single thought,if you are not capable of releasing them all which i do not believe is impossible!with practice you will eventually learn.after reaching a deep meditation eventually a thought or two will prevail yet at this point you will have lost all attachments to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From freshtodeath moved here by me, Jan</p>
<p>try meditating ;D the whole point of this is too slow the thought process down,and focus soley on a single thought,if you are not capable of releasing them all which i do not believe is impossible!with practice you will eventually learn.after reaching a deep meditation eventually a thought or two will prevail yet at this point you will have lost all attachments to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mutatio

I would say that, at the natural level, and with no conclusive evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to assume any difference between the way other organisms think and the way man thinks.

I quote from a handout from Cornell University:

Are insects automatons? Some people might think so, but, in fact, insects are capable of some remarkable cognitive processes that we normally attribute exclusively to vertebrate organisms. Insects can learn colors, sounds, locations, and times of day. They can navigate using a compass (the sun), and they can communicate in remarkably complex ways. Probably the most striking form of insect communication occurs in honey bees, which employ a complex dance language that conveys, distance, direction, quality and even the elevation of a food source.

End quote

And from CBS News

If you&#039;ve always suspected that animals are smarter than they get credit for, that there&#039;s more going on behind those eyes than a desire for food or attention ... you&#039;re not alone. 
In some species, especially elephants, great apes and marine mammals, the old phrase &quot;dumb animal&quot; borders on heresy. 
In fact, the line between human and animal intelligence is fading fast. 
&quot;I think it is fair to say that literally, monthly, there are fairly major discoveries about things that we long thought were unique to humans, now look like some of the building blocks are in place in other animals,&quot; said Harvard professor Marc Hauser.

End quote

Units of the thought/memory process appear to exist at the molecular level, so size of organism plays no roll. Even brain size might not be an important factor.  
Thought using knowledge in this context applies to knowledge essential for the survival of the individual and the species. This involves adaptation to changing circumstances through experience (shared gained knowledge) and the use of existing knowledge for day to day survival including reproduction. 
All organisms appear to operate at this level in precisely the same way.

In his present neurotic state, thinking in man has become a complex structure: a palace of self deception. He not only creates non essential things at great cost, that are eventually going to disappear or disintegrate, but he also kills millions of his own species and destroys his environment. Millions are hungry and destitute while others swim in riches.
All this shows the true nature of the thought structure that he has developed. Wanting anything other than the basic needs -- food, clothing and shelter -- that is where his self-deception begins, and there is no end to this self-deception. So all this thinking has no meaning at all; it is just wearing him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mutatio</p>
<p>I would say that, at the natural level, and with no conclusive evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to assume any difference between the way other organisms think and the way man thinks.</p>
<p>I quote from a handout from Cornell University:</p>
<p>Are insects automatons? Some people might think so, but, in fact, insects are capable of some remarkable cognitive processes that we normally attribute exclusively to vertebrate organisms. Insects can learn colors, sounds, locations, and times of day. They can navigate using a compass (the sun), and they can communicate in remarkably complex ways. Probably the most striking form of insect communication occurs in honey bees, which employ a complex dance language that conveys, distance, direction, quality and even the elevation of a food source.</p>
<p>End quote</p>
<p>And from CBS News</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve always suspected that animals are smarter than they get credit for, that there&#8217;s more going on behind those eyes than a desire for food or attention &#8230; you&#8217;re not alone.<br />
In some species, especially elephants, great apes and marine mammals, the old phrase &#8220;dumb animal&#8221; borders on heresy.<br />
In fact, the line between human and animal intelligence is fading fast.<br />
&#8220;I think it is fair to say that literally, monthly, there are fairly major discoveries about things that we long thought were unique to humans, now look like some of the building blocks are in place in other animals,&#8221; said Harvard professor Marc Hauser.</p>
<p>End quote</p>
<p>Units of the thought/memory process appear to exist at the molecular level, so size of organism plays no roll. Even brain size might not be an important factor.<br />
Thought using knowledge in this context applies to knowledge essential for the survival of the individual and the species. This involves adaptation to changing circumstances through experience (shared gained knowledge) and the use of existing knowledge for day to day survival including reproduction.<br />
All organisms appear to operate at this level in precisely the same way.</p>
<p>In his present neurotic state, thinking in man has become a complex structure: a palace of self deception. He not only creates non essential things at great cost, that are eventually going to disappear or disintegrate, but he also kills millions of his own species and destroys his environment. Millions are hungry and destitute while others swim in riches.<br />
All this shows the true nature of the thought structure that he has developed. Wanting anything other than the basic needs &#8212; food, clothing and shelter &#8212; that is where his self-deception begins, and there is no end to this self-deception. So all this thinking has no meaning at all; it is just wearing him out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought is the mechanism whereby knowledge is applied. The being requires information to carry out some function and thought gets it by comparing what comes in through the senses with the contents of memory in which knowledge is stored. This is an established fact.
If you don’t think the thought process is out of control then you should try to stop thinking - even for one minute. You can’t, no one can, not even the get rich quick gurus, because the one who’s trying is also product of thought and is being sustained by it. If thought did stop then you would stop or die as we call it.
Science interprets facts using the thought process which is based on knowledge already acquired. This does not preclude reinterpretation but the connection is always there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought is the mechanism whereby knowledge is applied. The being requires information to carry out some function and thought gets it by comparing what comes in through the senses with the contents of memory in which knowledge is stored. This is an established fact.<br />
If you don’t think the thought process is out of control then you should try to stop thinking &#8211; even for one minute. You can’t, no one can, not even the get rich quick gurus, because the one who’s trying is also product of thought and is being sustained by it. If thought did stop then you would stop or die as we call it.<br />
Science interprets facts using the thought process which is based on knowledge already acquired. This does not preclude reinterpretation but the connection is always there.</p>
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